[转帖]为什么容易被盗

oa0031 · 发表于 2005-11-24 13:34

技术讨论帖:NYG为什么容易被盗，看看NYG的新技术

在YG和NYG的区别里，被销售吹的天花乱坠的IMMO（防盗）系统。同样也在车窗上以很显眼的几个标志来炫耀的所谓的IMMO系统。现在我给你们揭开面纱！ HONDA的IMMO模块板，就是那个发动机的防盗系统。原来也是墨西哥制造的，和POLO的发动机是一个地方

揭开标签看看是什么芯片，我晕死，懒得提了，虽说不值钱，要找这厂家的这款芯片还是很难的，但是可以替代的就很多，当然比它也贵好多，佩服他们的采购员，发自内心的

看看那个0298，知道是怎么会事吗？ PCB制造行业的一看就明白，是98年的第2周生产（即1998月的4号-10号），哈哈NYG的IMMO居然是5年前即98年的材料。那技术最新最新最新应该是是97年的了，冠以“新”字来销售，发自内心佩服他们的销售人员这就是人们常说的防盗电脑，在我另外一个帖子里王9蛋说NYG有9个电脑，呵呵，这水平，我都懒得回理他，因为那里被托们整得一塌糊涂，才再开一个帖来说。 NYG具体的说只有各自独立的6套系统。 1.发动机 2.自动波 3.airbag 4.abs 5.immobilizer发动机联锁系统 6.车身电脑系统这6个系统里，注意只有6才能真正的称为电脑，其他的系统只能说是控制器。这些系统全部用7P/J1962 K线来和6进行通讯,NYG已经完全不用过去的老协议,使用kwp2000 *honda*通讯协议.目前使用多用接头检测是根本不可能的!所以说路边小店是无法真正完整的检测NYG的信息的。这里注意kwp2000 *honda*通讯协议，这个是什么协议，也是在CANBUS上跑的？大家一看就明白，原来是自成一家的，可为什么不能成为标准控制业界呢？那就是因为什么呢？因为有些通讯不能用标准的协议来实现，所以自己做了一些改动来适应自己的另类技术。这种修补当然不能成为标准！这种技术当然也不值钱，所以NYG可以大幅度降价。实际上日本人一直都想把自己的东西当作标准，用来控制行业，如果当它成为标准的时候，我相信小日本不会这么定价的。从DVD方面可以看出小日本的黑心的一面。

技术探讨：怎样手动编程本田的IMMO防盗模块 emergency start procedures for honda programming of replacement factory keys can only be done with the acura/honda pgm tester and a immobilizer software card. 1. make a mechanical key that will work the ignition lock cylinder. 2. have the customer get the “brake code” from the dealer or honda customer relations, you will need the vehicle identification number. this is a five digit number code. each car has a different “brake code’ since they are vin specific. 3. turn the ignition switch to the on position (ii). 4. have the brake code in front of you. to enter the first number of the brake code, set and release the emergency brake the same number of times as the first number in the brake code. for example if the first number in the brake code is a 2, set and release the emergency brake 2 times. 5. turn the ignition switch to the off position (0). 6. within 30 seconds, turn the ignition switch to the on position (ii) and enter the 2nd number in the brake code. 7. turn the ignition switch to the off position (0). 8. within 30 seconds, turn the ignition switch to the on position (ii) and enter the 3rd number in the brake code. 9. turn the ignition switch to the off position (0). 10. within 30 seconds, turn the ignition switch to the on position (ii) and enter the 4th number in the brake code. 11. turn the ignition switch to the off position (0). 12. within 30 seconds, turn the ignition switch to the on position (ii). and enter the 5th number in the brake code. 13. turn the ignition switch to the off position (0). 14. after entering the 5th number, the immobilizer indicator light on the dash should flash 5 times and then shut off. the car should now start. this procedure must be repeated each time you turn off the car for more than 10 minutes. emergency start procedures for honda (accord, insight, odyssey & s2000) 1. make a mechanical key that will work the ignition lock cylinder. 2. have the customer get the “immobilizer brake code” from the dealer or honda customer relations, you will need the vehicle identification number. this is a five digit number code. each car has a different “brake code” since they are vin specific. 3. turn the ignition switch to the on position (ii). 4. have the brake code in front of you. to enter the first number of the brake code, press and release the brake pedal the same number of times as the first number in the brake code. for example if the first number in the brake code is a 2, press and release the brake pedal 2 times. 5. turn the ignition switch to the lock position. 6. within 30 seconds, turn the ignition switch to the on position (ii) and enter the 2nd number in the brake code.. 7. turn the ignition switch to the lock position. 8. within 30 seconds, turn the ignition switch to the on position (ii) and enter the 3rd number in the brake code. 9. turn the ignition switch to the lock position. 10. within 30 seconds, turn the ignition switch to the on position (ii) and enter the 4th number in the brake code. 11. turn the ignition switch to the lock position. 12. within 30 seconds, turn the ignition switch to the on position (ii) and enter the 5th number in the brake code. 13. turn the ignition switch to the lock position. 14. after entering the 5th number, the immobilizer indicator light on the dash should flash 5 times and then shut off. the car should now start. this procedure must be repeated each time you turn off the car for more than 10 minutes. 看看AUDI的IMMO全车防盗系统，很少人见过的！看看这就是AUDI的IMMO全车防盗系统电脑控制版，局部图。

b82793是EPCOS的集成2合1军用级抗干扰滤波电感 82c250是PHILIP的San-bus收发器 tja105是PHILIP的can-bus控制芯片 PHILIPS的芯片没得说，军用首选！值得注意的是：中间有两个0欧姆的贴片电阻！！！其实0欧姆的贴片电阻是安全手段，在一些INTEL的CPU上也有这样的0电阻，限流直通的，相当于保险丝，几乎不会损坏。呵呵，如果换了小日本就可以节约了，材料费加上人工费至少可以节约1美金。值得一提的是：PST和AUDI的防盗IMMO电脑控制版是同样的技术，只是PCB不一样，不过豪华版是独立PCB模块，简装板的IMMO和仪表总成做到了一起。疑问：为什么不象日本人那样作一个公共模块，省事又省力，还节约成本？该死的德国死脑筋！！！

这个是AUDI的IMMO的MPU，比那个什么1F52W双列帖片相比怎样？右边的93C86是国半fairchild工厂出品的，知道是什么品质吗？嘿嘿，焊过了，具体干什么就不说了，明眼人一看就明白什么叫做军用级？拿那个电感来说，相信这里有很多硬件管理员，看看硬盘界老大SEAGATE的SCSI/FC硬盘产品，够顶级了吧，对不起，他采用的电感也不过是裸漏的军用级产品，比EPCOS这款还差一个档次

浏阳山里人 · 发表于 2005-11-24 15:05

呵呵我来重贴一下：

技术讨论帖:NYG为什么容易被盗，看看NYG的新技术

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在YG和NYG的区别里，被销售吹的天花乱坠的IMMO（防盗）系统。同样也在车窗上以很显眼的几个标志来炫耀的所谓的IMMO系统。现在我给你们揭开面纱！HONDA的IMMO模块板，就是那个发动机的防盗系统。原来也是墨西哥制造的，和POLO的发动机是一个地方

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揭开标签看看是什么芯片，我晕死，懒得提了，虽说不值钱，要找这厂家的这款芯片还是很难的，但是可以替代的就很多，当然比它也贵好多，佩服他们的采购员，发自内心的

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看看那个0298，知道是怎么会事吗？PCB制造行业的一看就明白，是98年的第2周生产（即1998月的4号-10号），哈哈NYG的IMMO居然是5年前即98年的材料。那技术最新最新最新应该是是97年的了，冠以“新”字来销售，发自内心佩服他们的销售人员这就是人们常说的防盗电脑，在我另外一个帖子里王9蛋说NYG有9个电脑，呵呵，这水平，我都懒得回理他，因为那里被托们整得一塌糊涂，才再开一个帖来说。NYG具体的说只有各自独立的6套系统。1.发动机2.自动波3.airbag4.abs 5.immobilizer发动机联锁系统6.车身电脑系统这6个系统里，注意只有6才能真正的称为电脑，其他的系统只能说是控制器。这些系统全部用7P/J1962 K线来和6进行通讯,NYG已经完全不用过去的老协议,使用kwp2000 *honda*通讯协议.目前使用多用接头检测是根本不可能的!所以说路边小店是无法真正完整的检测NYG的信息的。这里注意kwp2000 *honda*通讯协议，这个是什么协议，也是在CANBUS上跑的？大家一看就明白，原来是自成一家的，可为什么不能成为标准控制业界呢？那就是因为什么呢？因为有些通讯不能用标准的协议来实现，所以自己做了一些改动来适应自己的另类技术。这种修补当然不能成为标准！这种技术当然也不值钱，所以NYG可以大幅度降价。实际上日本人一直都想把自己的东西当作标准，用来控制行业，如果当它成为标准的时候，我相信*不会这么定价的。从DVD方面可以看出*的黑心的一面。技术探讨：怎样手动编程本田的IMMO防盗模块emergency start procedures for hondaprogramming of replacement factory keys can only be done with the acura/honda pgm tester and a immobilizer software card.1. make a mechanical key that will work the ignition lock cylinder.2. have the customer get the “brake code” from the dealer or honda customer relations, you will need the vehicle identification number. this is a five digit numbercode. each car has a different “brake code’ since they are vin specific.3. turn the ignition switch to the on position (ii).4. have the brake code in front of you. to enter the first number of the brake code, set and release the emergency brake the same number of times as thefirst number in the brake code. for example if the first number in the brake code is a 2, set and release the emergency brake 2 times.5. turn the ignition switch to the off position (0).6. within 30 seconds, turn the ignition switch to the on position (ii) and enter the 2nd number in the brake code.7. turn the ignition switch to the off position (0).8. within 30 seconds, turn the ignition switch to the on position (ii) and enter the 3rd number in the brake code.9. turn the ignition switch to the off position (0).10. within 30 seconds, turn the ignition switch to the on position (ii) and enter the 4th number in the brake code.11. turn the ignition switch to the off position (0).12. within 30 seconds, turn the ignition switch to the on position (ii). and enter the 5th number in the brake code.13. turn the ignition switch to the off position (0).14. after entering the 5th number, the immobilizer indicator light on the dash should flash 5 times and then shut off. the car should now start. this procedure must berepeated each time you turn off the car for more than 10 minutes.emergency start procedures for honda (accord, insight, odyssey & s2000)1. make a mechanical key that will work the ignition lock cylinder.2. have the customer get the “immobilizer brake code” from the dealer or honda customer relations, you will need the vehicle identification number. this isa five digit number code. each car has a different “brake code” since they are vin specific.3. turn the ignition switch to the on position (ii).4. have the brake code in front of you. to enter the first number of the brake code, press and release the brake pedal the same number of times as the firstnumber in the brake code. for example if the first number in the brake code is a 2, press and release the brake pedal 2 times.5. turn the ignition switch to the lock position.6. within 30 seconds, turn the ignition switch to the on position (ii) and enter the 2nd number in the brake code..7. turn the ignition switch to the lock position.8. within 30 seconds, turn the ignition switch to the on position (ii) and enter the 3rd number in the brake code.9. turn the ignition switch to the lock position.10. within 30 seconds, turn the ignition switch to the on position (ii) and enter the 4th number in the brake code.11. turn the ignition switch to the lock position.12. within 30 seconds, turn the ignition switch to the on position (ii) and enter the 5th number in the brake code.13. turn the ignition switch to the lock position.14. after entering the 5th number, the immobilizer indicator light on the dash should flash 5 times and then shut off. the car should now start. this procedure must berepeated each time you turn off the car for more than 10 minutes. 看看AUDI的IMMO全车防盗系统，很少人见过的！看看这就是AUDI的IMMO全车防盗系统电脑控制版，局部图。

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b82793是EPCOS的集成2合1军用级抗干扰滤波电感82c250是PHILIP的San-bus收发器tja105是PHILIP的can-bus控制芯片PHILIPS的芯片没得说，军用首选！值得注意的是：中间有两个0欧姆的贴片电阻！！！其实0欧姆的贴片电阻是安全手段，在一些INTEL的CPU上也有这样的0电阻，限流直通的，相当于保险丝，几乎不会损坏。呵呵，如果换了*就可以节约了，材料费加上人工费至少可以节约1美金。值得一提的是：PST和AUDI的防盗IMMO电脑控制版是同样的技术，只是PCB不一样，不过豪华版是独立PCB模块，简装板的IMMO和仪表总成做到了一起。疑问：为什么不象日本人那样作一个公共模块，省事又省力，还节约成本？该死的德国死脑筋！！！

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这个是AUDI的IMMO的MPU，比那个什么1F52W双列帖片相比怎样？右边的93C86是国半fairchild工厂出品的，知道是什么品质吗？嘿嘿，焊过了，具体干什么就不说了，明眼人一看就明白什么叫做军用级？拿那个电感来说，相信这里有很多硬件管理员，看看硬盘界老大SEAGATE的SCSI/FC硬盘产品，够顶级了吧，对不起，他采用的电感也不过是裸漏的军用级产品，比EPCOS这款还差一个档次